Merge ~xnox/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform:drop-package-maintainance into ~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform:focal

Proposed by Dimitri John Ledkov
Status: Needs review
Proposed branch: ~xnox/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform:drop-package-maintainance
Merge into: ~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform:focal
Diff against target: 30 lines (+0/-19)
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Reviewer Review Type Date Requested Status
Christian Ehrhardt  Disapprove
Canonical Desktop Team Pending
Steve Langasek Pending
Ubuntu Core Development Team Pending
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Drop Package Maintainance from supported-development-common & main

We no longer require build-dependencies to be in main.
Some of the packages listed in Package Maintainance fall under that, i.e. debhelper pkgstriptransaltions pkg-create-dbgsym dh-*

Other packages are necessory on Ubuntu Developer's machines, i.e. dh-make dput
However, one also really needs ubuntu-dev-tools too, which is universe.

I see a few very obsolete packages in the list which imho we should drop: dupload dselect

Overall, I don't see the benefits or requirements to have these packages in main. Or why we should process MIRs for all the perl packages that devscripts/lintian want to use.

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Christian Ehrhardt  (paelzer) wrote :

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Just that they are not strictly required to be in main doesn't mean they have to be demoted.
It depends on the level of commitment, everything in main needs to have a owning team and those tools are crucial and really need an owner.

Yes, one could say: "we still look after them" but would this create a third kind of packages "supported like in main but not really"? That would confuse even more it seems.

Also we might have pro-users of Ubuntu and other companies that build their own packages using these tools (quite likely), and they want to know these tools to be in main. For example I'm scared on removing dh-* in that regard.

Also please add a SEG review slot if we have contracts needing some of this to stay in main.

If "MIR effort for dependencies" is the main reason behind this, then maybe there are more fine grained changes e.g. make some of the less common lintian plugins only suggests?
Or mabye a subset could be demoted, but not all of this list as proposed.

I'd be eager to hear what others think, but for now about "Just removing all of-them": Nack

review: Disapprove
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Christian Ehrhardt  (paelzer) wrote :

Did anything else come out of this or will the discussion be continued?
Otherwise we should set the whole MP to rejected to clear the overviews of open MPs on LP.

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supported-development-common: drop Package Maintainance

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36 * git36 * git
38== Package Maintainance ==
40 * debhelper # ColinWatson
41 * devscripts
42 * dh-make
43 * dupload # ColinWatson
44 * lintian
45 * apt-listchanges
46 * dput
47 * pkgstriptranslations # for removing gettext data on the buildds
48 * pkg-create-dbgsym # automatic creation of debug symbols
49 * hello
50 * hello-debhelper
51 * dselect # old-school package management
52 * dh-autoreconf
53 * dh-exec
54 * dh-di
55 * dh-golang
57== Seed Management ==38== Seed Management ==
59 * germinate # quis custodiet ipsos custodes?40 * germinate # quis custodiet ipsos custodes?


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