The default apps should have standard menubars under Unity

For System Settings, I'm not sure Help>Contents is what we want. For GNOME-provided panels, the Help button points to more specific help if available. For instance, clicking Help when you are looking at the User panel shows you a locally installed version of https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/user-accounts.html

The attachment "unity_menu.diff" seems to be a patch. If it isn't, please remove the "patch" flag from the attachment, remove the "patch" tag, and if you are a member of the ~ubuntu-reviewers, unsubscribe the team.

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Thanks andyrock, we try to change the behaviour of programs we patch only under unity, do you think you could make it use the standard menubar only if XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity and use the upstream one otherwise?

Ok I updated the patch.

Thanks, that seems good. Design question, shouldn't "Close" be "Quit" rather?

This bug was fixed in the package gnome-calculator - 1:3.8.2-1ubuntu3

---------------
gnome-calculator (1:3.8.2-1ubuntu3) saucy; urgency=low

  * debian/patches/unity_classic_menubar.patch:
    - use a classic menu layout under Unity, the gnome-shell simplified menu
      doesn't work great for Unity (lp: #1131664)
 -- Sebastien Bacher <email address hidden> Fri, 07 Jun 2013 18:18:04 +0200

Thanks, I'm looking at that one, but it would be nice if design could reply to the question about "Quit vs Close" before we upload...

@andyrock: thanks for the work, some comments:

- could you try opening an upstream bug for the "list help item for the current selected panel", who knows they might like the idea there

- the patch doesn't build: "shell/control-center.c:239: undefined reference to `cc_panel_get_display_name'"

this function doesn't seem to be defined in the upstream source?

- Close should be Quit (I said I would change it locally but if you update the patch you can as well do that with the update)

Patch updated!

We need design for evince.

@andyrock; for evince could we revert the menu back to as close to the same menu structure as evince had in 13.10?

This bug was fixed in the package gnome-control-center - 1:3.6.3-0ubuntu33

---------------
gnome-control-center (1:3.6.3-0ubuntu33) saucy; urgency=low

  [ Jeremy Bicha ]
  * Restore 57_use_nonsymbolic_keyboard_icon.patch, the ubuntu-themes
    merge proposal wasn't accepted yet

  [ Tim Lunn ]
  * debian/patches/git_shell_use_view_style_class.patch: git patch to
    fix mismatched backgrounds (LP: #1218102)
 -- Tim Lunn <email address hidden> Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:23:56 +1000

fileroller = 3.7x in fr-window.c
  menubar = gtk_ui_manager_get_widget (ui, "/MenuBar");
 fr_window_attach (FR_WINDOW (window), menubar, FR_WINDOW_AREA_MENUBAR);
  gtk_widget_show (menubar);

and after 3.7.x to the new version (3.10)

g_object_set (other_actions_action, "menu", gtk_ui_manager_get_widget (ui, "/OtherActionsMenu"), NULL);
 g_object_unref (other_actions_action);

for evince see:
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Evince+3.10+with+menubar?content=161336

http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Evince+3.10+with+menubar?content=161336

Hello,
yeah i might take a look, but Nemo does that already pretty well, so it
isn`t my priority...

2013/10/22 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) <mail@3v1n0.net>

> ** Changed in: file-roller (Ubuntu)
> Status: New => Confirmed
>
> ** No longer affects: evince (Ubuntu)
>
> ** Also affects: evince (Ubuntu)
> Importance: Undecided
> Status: New
>
> ** Changed in: evince (Ubuntu)
> Status: New => Confirmed
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131664
>
> Title:
> Patch the menus of the 'Calculator', 'Document Viewer' and 'System
> Settings' apps to fit with Unity
>
> Status in Ayatana Design:
> Fix Committed
> Status in File Roller:
> New
> Status in “evince” package in Ubuntu:
> Confirmed
> Status in “file-roller” package in Ubuntu:
> Confirmed
> Status in “gnome-calculator” package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in “gnome-control-center” package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
>
> Bug description:
> When fixing this bug, also take a look at bug #1130722 at the same
> time if possible.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'Calculator' app should have the following menu items:
>
> === Edit ===
>
> Copy
> Paste
> ---------
> Undo
> Redo
> ---------
> Preferences
> ---------
> Quit
>
> === Mode ===
>
> Basic
> Advanced
> Financial
> Programming
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> About
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'System Settings' app should have the following menu
> items:
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> [Optional link to help doc for the currently selected settings panel]
> ---------
> Quit
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/1131664/+subscriptions
>

Can someone send me a message how to use diff??. Otherwise i will upload
the whole source folder with lzma and then upload it.

2013/10/22 Frieder Saugschmerle <email address hidden>

> Hello,
> yeah i might take a look, but Nemo does that already pretty well, so it
> isn`t my priority...
>
>
> 2013/10/22 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) <mail@3v1n0.net>
>
> ** Changed in: file-roller (Ubuntu)
>> Status: New => Confirmed
>>
>> ** No longer affects: evince (Ubuntu)
>>
>> ** Also affects: evince (Ubuntu)
>> Importance: Undecided
>> Status: New
>>
>> ** Changed in: evince (Ubuntu)
>> Status: New => Confirmed
>>
>> --
>> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
>> report.
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131664
>>
>> Title:
>> Patch the menus of the 'Calculator', 'Document Viewer' and 'System
>> Settings' apps to fit with Unity
>>
>> Status in Ayatana Design:
>> Fix Committed
>> Status in File Roller:
>> New
>> Status in “evince” package in Ubuntu:
>> Confirmed
>> Status in “file-roller” package in Ubuntu:
>> Confirmed
>> Status in “gnome-calculator” package in Ubuntu:
>> Fix Released
>> Status in “gnome-control-center” package in Ubuntu:
>> Fix Released
>>
>> Bug description:
>> When fixing this bug, also take a look at bug #1130722 at the same
>> time if possible.
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> In Raring, the 'Calculator' app should have the following menu items:
>>
>> === Edit ===
>>
>> Copy
>> Paste
>> ---------
>> Undo
>> Redo
>> ---------
>> Preferences
>> ---------
>> Quit
>>
>> === Mode ===
>>
>> Basic
>> Advanced
>> Financial
>> Programming
>>
>> === Help ===
>>
>> Contents
>> About
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> In Raring, the 'System Settings' app should have the following menu
>> items:
>>
>> === Help ===
>>
>> Contents
>> [Optional link to help doc for the currently selected settings panel]
>> ---------
>> Quit
>>
>> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/1131664/+subscriptions
>>
>
>

@bluedxca93: from a toplevel directory with the original tree and the fixed tree, use diff like so:

diff -Naurp oldtree newtree > changes.patch

There for evince. Hope it works.
Have also repatched file-roller and epiphany ( However the full menu mode
in eiphany doesn`t work jet.).
In epiphany and file-roller is something strange:
In file-roller i have to first download and configure it via apt-src.
Then i have then to patch an makefile.am and then apply the other patches
and then reconfigure it.
In epiphany won`t work the default configure vut the one from apt-src works
fine.

 evince.patch<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B80SfhWhhiyZT29Md1BLbkFGV0U/edit?usp=drive_web>

2013/10/29 Marc Deslauriers <email address hidden>

> @bluedxca93: from a toplevel directory with the original tree and the
> fixed tree, use diff like so:
>
> diff -Naurp oldtree newtree > changes.patch
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131664
>
> Title:
> Patch the menus of the 'Calculator', 'Document Viewer' and 'System
> Settings' apps to fit with Unity
>
> Status in Ayatana Design:
> Fix Committed
> Status in File Roller:
> New
> Status in “evince” package in Ubuntu:
> Confirmed
> Status in “file-roller” package in Ubuntu:
> Confirmed
> Status in “gnome-calculator” package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in “gnome-control-center” package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
>
> Bug description:
> When fixing this bug, also take a look at bug #1130722 at the same
> time if possible.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'Calculator' app should have the following menu items:
>
> === Edit ===
>
> Copy
> Paste
> ---------
> Undo
> Redo
> ---------
> Preferences
> ---------
> Quit
>
> === Mode ===
>
> Basic
> Advanced
> Financial
> Programming
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> About
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'System Settings' app should have the following menu
> items:
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> [Optional link to help doc for the currently selected settings panel]
> ---------
> Quit
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/1131664/+subscriptions
>

here the file-roller lzma. I`m also working on an patch, but this folder at
least compiles fine.!!
You have to reconfigure it!!. I will send the epiphany version soon too (
perhaps with fullscreen support).

2013/10/30 Frieder Saugschmerle <email address hidden>

> There for evince. Hope it works.
> Have also repatched file-roller and epiphany ( However the full menu mode
> in eiphany doesn`t work jet.).
> In epiphany and file-roller is something strange:
> In file-roller i have to first download and configure it via apt-src.
> Then i have then to patch an makefile.am and then apply the other
> patches and then reconfigure it.
> In epiphany won`t work the default configure vut the one from apt-src
> works fine.
>
> evince.patch<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B80SfhWhhiyZT29Md1BLbkFGV0U/edit?usp=drive_web>
>
>
>
> 2013/10/29 Marc Deslauriers <email address hidden>
>
>> @bluedxca93: from a toplevel directory with the original tree and the
>> fixed tree, use diff like so:
>>
>> diff -Naurp oldtree newtree > changes.patch
>>
>> --
>> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
>> report.
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131664
>>
>> Title:
>> Patch the menus of the 'Calculator', 'Document Viewer' and 'System
>> Settings' apps to fit with Unity
>>
>> Status in Ayatana Design:
>> Fix Committed
>> Status in File Roller:
>> New
>> Status in “evince” package in Ubuntu:
>> Confirmed
>> Status in “file-roller” package in Ubuntu:
>> Confirmed
>> Status in “gnome-calculator” package in Ubuntu:
>> Fix Released
>> Status in “gnome-control-center” package in Ubuntu:
>> Fix Released
>>
>> Bug description:
>> When fixing this bug, also take a look at bug #1130722 at the same
>> time if possible.
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> In Raring, the 'Calculator' app should have the following menu items:
>>
>> === Edit ===
>>
>> Copy
>> Paste
>> ---------
>> Undo
>> Redo
>> ---------
>> Preferences
>> ---------
>> Quit
>>
>> === Mode ===
>>
>> Basic
>> Advanced
>> Financial
>> Programming
>>
>> === Help ===
>>
>> Contents
>> About
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> In Raring, the 'System Settings' app should have the following menu
>> items:
>>
>> === Help ===
>>
>> Contents
>> [Optional link to help doc for the currently selected settings panel]
>> ---------
>> Quit
>>
>> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/1131664/+subscriptions
>>
>
>

Here's a debdiff for evince for saucy I worked on.

What's left to do:
- port it to trusty
- make it use gtk-shell-shows-menubar instead of XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP so it can be upstreamed
- Fix a bug where about 1 in 5 launches results in the menu items being greyed out. Not sure if this is an issue with the patch though as with UBUNTU_MENUPROXY it works every time.

Hi,
will try this patch soon.
It seems to be nearly my patche + adding unity support. I hope my
patch was a help.

I think in evince there is one big problem:
1) the menubar schould not be visible in fullscreen or presentation
mode and fix the possible fals re arranging of the menubar-/ toolbars
when leaving those.

I think the importance of your second bug is currently low. When
trusty will be stable there will be an other version than evince 3.10
so there will be a new patch.

I will test if your third bug also affects cinnamon. If it is so i
will find a way to patch it. Otherwise it's unity specific and i can`t
use unity in virtualbox with cinnamon installed.

The file-roller patch will took more time to create, i'm sure . But
perhaps you will make it. I've sucessfully patched the uploaded
source folder which compiles fine on my PC , but every time i want to
create a patch it fails for unknown reasons.

I could create some langugage file patches if you want that. 'can
understand english french and german, and i think i would be able to
re- insert some code for other european languages too.

For the moment apart from epiphany, only the main program binarys are
really different from the not patched ones. In file-roller ther is an
ugly attach menubar code which should be deleted soon )= . I'will
perhaps take a look at the gome main games section ( as gnome-mine)
soon. I'm not an programmer and i can't write anything in C or python
but the code changes for the menubar are nearly normally readable. I
now also how to wirte gtk3 css files and this is really similar.

regards bluedxca93

2013/11/14, Marc Deslauriers <email address hidden>:
> Here's a debdiff for evince for saucy I worked on.
>
> What's left to do:
> - port it to trusty
> - make it use gtk-shell-shows-menubar instead of XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP so it
> can be upstreamed
> - Fix a bug where about 1 in 5 launches results in the menu items being
> greyed out. Not sure if this is an issue with the patch though as with
> UBUNTU_MENUPROXY it works every time.
>
> ** Patch added: "evince_3.10.0-0ubuntu2.1~md1.debdiff"
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/1131664/+attachment/3908909/+files/evince_3.10.0-0ubuntu2.1%7Emd1.debdiff
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131664
>
> Title:
> Patch the menus of the 'Calculator', 'Document Viewer' and 'System
> Settings' apps to fit with Unity
>
> Status in Ayatana Design:
> Fix Committed
> Status in File Roller:
> New
> Status in “evince” package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
> Status in “file-roller” package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
> Status in “gnome-calculator” package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in “gnome-control-center” package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
>
> Bug description:
> When fixing this bug, also take a look at bug #1130722 at the same
> time if possible.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'Calculator' app should have the following menu items:
>
> === Edit ===
>
> Copy
> Paste
> ---------
> Undo
> Redo
> ---------...

Just to give a pointer on the "use gtk-shell-show-menubars", that's a commit example from gedit:
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gedit/commit/?id=255460c209105eadcaedb245ddfd6295cef06128

> It seems to be nearly my patche + adding unity support. I hope my
patch was a help.

Yes, along with a few other fixes. I've credited you in the patch header.

> 1) the menubar schould not be visible in fullscreen or presentation
mode and fix the possible fals re arranging of the menubar-/ toolbars
when leaving those.

Yes, those are some of the issues which are fixed in my patch.

Thx. Yes the "show_menubar" function is also in epiphany and
file-roller a problem.
Perhaps an simple show_menubar function for an simple dummy "hello"
world like program would help.

2013/11/14, Marc Deslauriers <email address hidden>:
>> It seems to be nearly my patche + adding unity support. I hope my
> patch was a help.
>
> Yes, along with a few other fixes. I've credited you in the patch
> header.
>
>> 1) the menubar schould not be visible in fullscreen or presentation
> mode and fix the possible fals re arranging of the menubar-/ toolbars
> when leaving those.
>
> Yes, those are some of the issues which are fixed in my patch.
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131664
>
> Title:
> Patch the menus of the 'Calculator', 'Document Viewer' and 'System
> Settings' apps to fit with Unity
>
> Status in Ayatana Design:
> Fix Committed
> Status in File Roller:
> New
> Status in “evince” package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
> Status in “file-roller” package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
> Status in “gnome-calculator” package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in “gnome-control-center” package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
>
> Bug description:
> When fixing this bug, also take a look at bug #1130722 at the same
> time if possible.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'Calculator' app should have the following menu items:
>
> === Edit ===
>
> Copy
> Paste
> ---------
> Undo
> Redo
> ---------
> Preferences
> ---------
> Quit
>
> === Mode ===
>
> Basic
> Advanced
> Financial
> Programming
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> About
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'System Settings' app should have the following menu
> items:
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> [Optional link to help doc for the currently selected settings panel]
> ---------
> Quit
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/1131664/+subscriptions
>

WARNING: New evince patch not working on Cinnamon or other DE's than unity..

2013/11/15, Sebastien Bacher <email address hidden>:
> ** Summary changed:
>
> - Patch the menus of the 'Calculator', 'Document Viewer' and 'System
> Settings' apps to fit with Unity
> + The default apps should have standard menubars under Unity
>
> ** Also affects: rhythmbox (Ubuntu)
> Importance: Undecided
> Status: New
>
> ** Changed in: rhythmbox (Ubuntu)
> Status: New => Triaged
>
> ** Changed in: rhythmbox (Ubuntu)
> Importance: Undecided => High
>
> ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #712357
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712357
>
> ** Also affects: rhythmbox via
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712357
> Importance: Unknown
> Status: Unknown
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131664
>
> Title:
> The default apps should have standard menubars under Unity
>
> Status in Ayatana Design:
> Fix Committed
> Status in File Roller:
> New
> Status in The Rhythmbox Music Management Application:
> Unknown
> Status in “evince” package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
> Status in “file-roller” package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
> Status in “gnome-calculator” package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in “gnome-control-center” package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in “rhythmbox” package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
>
> Bug description:
> When fixing this bug, also take a look at bug #1130722 at the same
> time if possible.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'Calculator' app should have the following menu items:
>
> === Edit ===
>
> Copy
> Paste
> ---------
> Undo
> Redo
> ---------
> Preferences
> ---------
> Quit
>
> === Mode ===
>
> Basic
> Advanced
> Financial
> Programming
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> About
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'System Settings' app should have the following menu
> items:
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> [Optional link to help doc for the currently selected settings panel]
> ---------
> Quit
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/1131664/+subscriptions
>

Problem for evince under cinnamon is located in set_widget_visibility
(priv->toolbar, toolbar); . Normally the appmenu is loaded instead of
the menubar, removing this one line and to delete the appmenu.ui
builder command from code fix the problem temporarily with compiler
warnings.

Patch against the current development release (3.10.1ubuntu1). This patch is different from the previous Evince patches in the following ways:

* It uses the "gtk-shell-show-app-menu" and "gtk-shell-show-menubar" settings, which should make it work correctly in any desktop environment.

* It slightly updates the Evince 3.6 menu structure to more closely resemble the new action menus (i.e. subtle differences in separator placement and item ordering).

To complete this work, some translations from 3.6 would need to be ported to 3.10 as they don't exist anymore (e.g. for the top-level menu labels "File", "Edit", "View" and "Go"), but I don't really have the expertise to do this so I left it alone for now.

I don't want to be pushy, but I would be very happy if my patch for Evince could be reviewed. I am interested in producing similar patches for other default applications, but I want to be sure that I followed the right approach before doing so.

@Denis: I subscribed ubuntu-sponsors to this bug report. That way it will appear in the sponsorship queue (http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/) and the chance that somebody reviews it soon increases. :)

@Denis: thanks for your work. We are interested in such patches/changes yes.

Lars has been working on evince as well so I'm assigning that to him so he can review your change/reconciliate that with the work he has been doing (he should probably have assigned the bug to himself/commented to avoid work duplication, sorry about that)

Unsubscribing sponsors, as there is no ready-for-upload .debdiff yet (and this bug already has an assignee).

This bug was fixed in the package evince - 3.10.3-0ubuntu3

---------------
evince (3.10.3-0ubuntu3) trusty; urgency=medium

  * Add GMenuModel port (lp: #1131664)
 -- Lars Uebernickel <email address hidden> Tue, 04 Feb 2014 15:22:45 +0000

So, if I don't use Unity, how can I access menus?

In Xfce, there is no menu in evince window, after this update...

Gthumb and gnome mines are default in xubuntu.

There is a icon like a settings gear on the RIGHT hand side of the menu
bar/toolbar. Click on that and a drop down menu appears.

On 6 February 2014 11:26, Sergio Benjamim <email address hidden> wrote:

> So, if I don't use Unity, how can I access menus?
>
> In Xfce, there is no menu in evince window, after this update...
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are a member of AIMS,
> which is subscribed to the bug report.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1131664
>
> Title:
> The default apps should have standard menubars under Unity
>
> Status in Ayatana Design:
> Fix Committed
> Status in File Roller:
> New
> Status in Mines:
> New
> Status in The Gnome Thumbnail Image Viewer:
> New
> Status in The Rhythmbox Music Management Application:
> New
> Status in "evince" package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in "file-roller" package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
> Status in "gnome-calculator" package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in "gnome-control-center" package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in "rhythmbox" package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
>
> Bug description:
> When fixing this bug, also take a look at bug #1130722 at the same
> time if possible.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'Calculator' app should have the following menu items:
>
> === Edit ===
>
> Copy
> Paste
> ---------
> Undo
> Redo
> ---------
> Preferences
> ---------
> Quit
>
> === Mode ===
>
> Basic
> Advanced
> Financial
> Programming
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> About
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'System Settings' app should have the following menu
> items:
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> [Optional link to help doc for the currently selected settings panel]
> ---------
> Quit
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/1131664/+subscriptions
>
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  /V\ Jan Groenewald
 /( )\ www.aims.ac.za
 ^^-^^

jan-aims, are you sure? Take a look at the picture.

OK, no, yours is different.
I don't have access to these versions right now to check.
Regards,
Jan

On 6 February 2014 11:47, Sergio Benjamim <email address hidden> wrote:

> jan-aims, are you sure? Take a look at the picture.
>
> ** Attachment added: "evince with no menu in xfce.png"
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-mines/+bug/1131664/+attachment/3971023/+files/evince%20with%20no%20menu%20in%20xfce.png
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> Title:
> The default apps should have standard menubars under Unity
>
> Status in Ayatana Design:
> Fix Committed
> Status in File Roller:
> New
> Status in Mines:
> New
> Status in The Gnome Thumbnail Image Viewer:
> New
> Status in The Rhythmbox Music Management Application:
> New
> Status in "evince" package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in "file-roller" package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
> Status in "gnome-calculator" package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in "gnome-control-center" package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in "rhythmbox" package in Ubuntu:
> Triaged
>
> Bug description:
> When fixing this bug, also take a look at bug #1130722 at the same
> time if possible.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'Calculator' app should have the following menu items:
>
> === Edit ===
>
> Copy
> Paste
> ---------
> Undo
> Redo
> ---------
> Preferences
> ---------
> Quit
>
> === Mode ===
>
> Basic
> Advanced
> Financial
> Programming
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> About
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'System Settings' app should have the following menu
> items:
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> [Optional link to help doc for the currently selected settings panel]
> ---------
> Quit
>
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I experienced same results with GNOME Shell 3.10.3.
I have possibility only keyboard using Ubuntu with screen reader support. Now, how can enable for example the caret navigation support in Evince when I not using Unity?
Caret navigation support need when a blind user want reading a pdf support with Evince the Orca Screen Reader.
Usual, need provide keyboard navigation possibility. Visually impaired users only using keyboard and screen reader support, if entire not seeing the screen, not have possibility ofcourse to using a mouse.

Please don't block other environments the available menubar accessing methods.
Note: if I revert following patches, everithing works fine me with Orca screen reader:
0001-Port-to-GMenuModel-and-add-menu-bar.patch
0002-Remove-gtk_application_set_accels_for_actions.patch

Me suspicious the second patch with keyboard accelerators related. Why need remove keyboard accelerators with menu items and other actions related?

Testcase the actual version, only with keyboard and GNOME Shell:
1. Open a PDF document with Evince. This situation not presenting the screen any menu bar. Expected result: independent the desktop environment if the Evince application is the default application an Ubuntu release, need presenting a menu bar.
2. Press F10 key. Expected result: the GNOME style menu presenting (until the menu bar not awailable with GNOME Shell too).
Actual result: if I using the F10 key, nothing happen, because you removed keyboard accelerators.
3. Try enabling the caret navigation support with F7 key.
Expected result: a message window presenting to you would like enabling the caret navigation support.
If you click Enable button, caret navigation support is enabled.
Actual result: nothing happening.

Please fix this issues.

I now testing what happening when I reverted only the second patch, now Evince package is building my system.

Attila

Unfortunately when I revert only the second patch, Evince is not compiled right.

Attila

@Attila: thanks for the debugging, not need to spend more time on reverting changes though, a fix for the issue is being tested and should be uploaded today

Thank you Sebastian your answer.
When the fixed version is awailable both two issues is resolved?
What type menubar will be awailable the fixed version if the current session is GNOME or gnome-classic? the GNOME3 style context menu (similar with Nautilus), or the Unity already presenting main menu bar?
The Evince actions accelerator key combinations will be restored the fixed version?

Attila

@Attila: the issue with the menu not showing with xfce is going to be fixed, I don't know about the other ones, you should open new bug reports about those, mixing issues on a same tickets is making difficult to have a discussion on specific details

Sebastian, I looked now the proposed repository awailable version.
With Orca screen reader I not see a menubar top of the window (I browsed the screen with flat review feature).
Realy not seeing the menubar with GNOME Shell, or the Evince implemented menu bar not a traditional GTK.menubar style menu?
With accelerators related I will be opening an another bug for evince package.

Attila

Hi,
I think all gtk3 programs schould use the old gtk3.4-6 like menubar functions . Gnome 3 could easily create an dconf variable wich schould force the program too use gear menus instead of the menubar. Why not an scalable space area in the toolbar which would be 1px transparent normally and show on Gnome 3 shell gear menu's . Where lies the problem?? . Do somebody need an APP-MENU ??? I don`t. It would be better to have an MENUBAR or GAER MENU SETTINGS with MENUBAR as default.

Have patched evince (already posted) file-roller and epiphany to MENUBAR ONLY . Instead of nautilus use nemo . If somebody likes to see the modified sources send me an PM.
regards bluedxca93

@bluedca93: thanks, maybe you could add your patches to the bug? file-roller got some support for traditionnal menubars upstream, nautilus would be good to patch as well

The evince 3.10.3-0ubuntu3 update does indeed cause keyboard shortcuts to not work in non-Unity desktops (more specifically, I tested in GNOME Shell, and even basic shortcuts such as Crtl+O do nothing now.)

Also, it is not possible to leave presentation mode now by simply pressing F5 or Esc. In fact, I found no other way than to close Evince completely without quitting it altogether with Alt+F4.

Hi Denis,

I reported specificaly a11y related issues with following report this day morning and wrote for example the CTRL+O keystroke a testcase related:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1277370
My report get inprogress status, so hopefuly developers short time fixing this type issues with keyboard usage related too.
If you would like please subscribe the linked report, and shorter time you notifying when a fix awailable for example the proposed repository for evince related.

Attila

This bug was fixed in the package file-roller - 3.10.2.1-0ubuntu3

---------------
file-roller (3.10.2.1-0ubuntu3) trusty; urgency=medium

  * debian/patches/revert_remove_menubar.patch:
    - use a standard menubar like our others softwares (lp: #1131664)
 -- Sebastien Bacher <email address hidden> Thu, 20 Feb 2014 21:39:47 +0100

Adding nautilus as well here, so it's easier to track, but the wanted design is defined at bug lp:1130722

Lars is working on nautilus, assigning to him

Have possibility to implementing standard menubar for nautilus, similar with file-roller application related previous doed fix?
The file-roller related menubar restore related fix is fine, wonderful possible handling the menubar with Orca screen reader in GNOME Shell session. Congratulation the new fix for file-roller application.
If I press F10 key in file-roller application, I wonderful seeing keyboard the Archive, Edit, View and help main menues.

Attila

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/1:3.10.1-0ubuntu6

This bug was fixed in the package rhythmbox - 3.0.1-1ubuntu11

---------------
rhythmbox (3.0.1-1ubuntu11) trusty; urgency=medium

  [ Iain Lane ]
  * Use dh_autoreconf; drop explicit libtool.m4 patching.

  [ Lars Uebernickel ]
  * Add debian/patches/restore-traditional-menubar.patch
      - add a traditional menu bar on desktops that show it (lp: #1131664)
  * Add debian/patches/make-shuffle-repeat-proper-toggle-actions.patch
      - fixes toggle and repeat actions in the menu
 -- Lars Uebernickel <email address hidden> Fri, 28 Feb 2014 12:02:38 +0100

Can this happen for Empathy as well?

Have tried three times already to patch epiphany. Ver 3.6 works. 3.11 or
3.8 doesn`t apply the menubar patch, compiles fine. I've perhaps overread
an comment in ephy-window.c i will retry it soon. There must be an
solution. Have already managed to re-add menubar code without compiler
errors. On 3.8 and 3.11. Could someone help ?

2014-03-03 1:57 GMT+01:00 Marcos Vinícius <email address hidden>:

> Can this happen for Empathy as well?
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
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>
> Title:
> The default apps should have standard menubars under Unity
>
> Status in Ayatana Design:
> Fix Committed
> Status in File Roller:
> New
> Status in Mines:
> New
> Status in The Gnome Thumbnail Image Viewer:
> New
> Status in The Rhythmbox Music Management Application:
> New
> Status in "evince" package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in "file-roller" package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in "gnome-calculator" package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in "gnome-control-center" package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in "nautilus" package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
> Status in "rhythmbox" package in Ubuntu:
> Fix Released
>
> Bug description:
> When fixing this bug, also take a look at bug #1130722 at the same
> time if possible.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'Calculator' app should have the following menu items:
>
> === Edit ===
>
> Copy
> Paste
> ---------
> Undo
> Redo
> ---------
> Preferences
> ---------
> Quit
>
> === Mode ===
>
> Basic
> Advanced
> Financial
> Programming
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> About
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> In Raring, the 'System Settings' app should have the following menu
> items:
>
> === Help ===
>
> Contents
> [Optional link to help doc for the currently selected settings panel]
> ---------
> Quit
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
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Setting the gnote one to wishlist, the desktop team doesn't intend to work on that one since it's not part of our default installation, contribution for that are welcome though

On Utopic file-roller shows headerbar menus on the unity-panel along with traditional menubar. Screenshot:

http://i.imgur.com/SKFM9Ya.png

( i cant take the screenshot of menus under Unity, hence showing the menu bar other desktop-session (gnome-flashback)

http://i.imgur.com/XDVD9Ei.png

On Utopic these patches doesn't seem to work on other desktop session (which also uses indicator-appmenu), i.e. gnome-flashback.

If I install indicator-applet-appmenu & add it to gnome-panel, I have noticed that most of the default apps doesn't export/move menubar to panel properly.

Apps that does NOT move menubar to panel:

1. nautilus

2. gnome-terminal (only shows file>close)

3. gedit

4. file-roller (complete mess: export header-bar menus but also shows menus on the window & a single dropdown menu screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/XDVD9Ei.png)

5. eog

6. totem

7. mines ( a very big size menu remains on the window screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/ZD0xma0.png )

8. shotwell

9. transmission

Apps that does move menubar properly to the panel

1. evince
2. rhythmbox
3. disks
4. system-monitor
5. system-log (uses headerbar)

& non-gtk apps:
5. Firefox, Chromium

Non-default apps:
6. Geary, California (Not directly patched by Ubuntu)

I'm closing the remaining tasks here. The decision was made for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS that we're not going to use distro patches to add these menus back.

And thus Gnome's poor UX design is dragging everyone else with them.

Maybe Gnome developers and Canonical can live in a pretend world where a Hamburger menu is a remotely-acceptable UX in A DESKTOP OS, but for those of us who use Ubuntu professionally this design is just not practical.

I'm retiring my yearly Canonical donation, dropping Unity in favor of Gnome should have been a enough of a signal that Canonical no longer have an interest in actually improving the Desktop experience. Instead it looks like the donations are going towards advertising cloud solution and it looks like Canonical devs are too busy defending the WSL in twitter to be able to make these sort of improvements.

Xfce and Mate are great Desktops also on ubuntu. If i had the money i would
support both desktops with donations.

As long as xubuntu and ubuntu-mate exists , Canoncial is still producing
usable fast and stable wonderful gtk based Systems. Just to mention the
positive side of things.

The focus of the main ubuntu desktop is far away from the traditional
menubar design. Advanced functions are hidden or are entirely removed.
Based on these facts i see only for most users the possibility to either
install a different ubuntu flavor or to switch to debian.

On 28/08/2020 22:19, vexorian wrote:
> Maybe Gnome developers and Canonical can live in a pretend world where a
> Hamburger menu is a remotely-acceptable UX in A DESKTOP OS, but for
> those of us who use Ubuntu professionally this design is just not
> practical.

You are of course entirely correct. Hamburger menus are eye-wateringly
poor fallbacks at the best of times, and it's frustrating for me too to
see them all over the desktop. I say this to make the point that even
though we care, we are simply not able to sustain a divergent UX. I
loved the work we did on Unity, controversial as it was, and believe it
was taking free software desktops in a good direction, we just couldn't
afford it, and that was that.

Perhaps in future you'll draw the distinction between the things people
care about and the things they are able to change. We are, right now,
bringing a very wide range of good things to bear in the field of
desktop, appliances, clouds, containers. We just can't manage to have an
independent desktop design and delivery program, which I know from
experience is a huge amount of work. I'm grateful we can collaborate
with existing open source teams, we ship GNOME by default but we also
take *care* to help KDE, Mate, and several others with fewer hamburger
menus.

Mark